I found this on a forum about Jon's mortal wounding....
I think that Jon isn't dead, I think he is injured. I think the reason for this is to allow him to become one with Ghost in a way he hasn't before, not through the "true death" and being reborn. my evidence for this is the following:
1) when varymyr dies he becomes one with the weirwood tree after he's kicked out of thistle, his spirit becomes one with everything and even sees bran and company on the elk before finally finding one-eye and experiencing the true death. When he experiences it he likens the true death to a shock of cold, and yes, the last lines of jon's chapter show that "all he felt was cold" but it didnt seem as drastic. there was no becoming aware of everything around him, becoming a part of everything around him. The way it is described seems a lot more like Asha's blackout scene, and even a little like Brans falling scene.
2) Mellisandre mentions to jon that he needs to use his abilities and he thinks "I am not a wolf" or something like that. in addition to her seeing him in her fires "first a man then a wolf then a man again" this got me thinking more and more about other wargs that we know of and how they have managed while severely injured on the brink of death (insert Brans name here)
Soooo i guess my crazy theory is that Jon isn't dead, and maybe while he is close to death he will warg into snow and embrace that ability. through the entire dance we barely ever saw him have a wolf dream, we barely saw him be as close to ghost as he was when he was with the wildlings. his plot line mirrored Robbs in some ways because he ignored ghost and walked into danger. But I think that Jon is going to have what Robb didn't which is a second chance to realize that Ghost is a lot more of a part of him and his abilities than he was willing to admit. what that means for the watch? well they cant very well have a comatose LC, so that ends that for the time being, as to the possibility of AA? I think he is, but am not sure how that will play out. I will say that I am a little concerned that Ghost may end up becoming some weird kind of Nissa nissa. which would suck...hardcore
It has some interesting points. I also am more worried about the fate of Ghost.
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Thursday, October 27, 2011
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
So Frustrating
GRRM is sadistic. Plain old sadistic.
Of course Jon is the biggest freak out since the Red Wedding (red that in article and its dead on).
However, there are plenty of stunning moments - some rewarding, some shocking some that just make you smack your forehead.
OK Jon is dead or as GRRM has said - "mortally wounded", but isn't it shocking that he was attacked by fellow black watchmen. Wic and Bowen, were first two blows, third in the back and he never felt the fourth dagger.
I know why - but the "why then" does not make sense. The conspirators attack Jon at the scene of Wun Wun vs St. Patrick. Well, more like Wun Wun and the rag doll.
Wildlings have to be around, does it immediately start a fight? Does Wun Wun throw Bowen against the ice Wall? Does Tormund lead a revolt? None of it makes sense.
Oh, did Jon just break his oath? Trying to lead an army south? I refuse to believe Jon is really dead.
Certainly allows him to leave the Brothers (till he dies, right?) Well he died - now he can go be King of the North and marry Danyres.
Speaking of which....woot! The Dragons are free!!!
Tyrion is a second son - perfect.
Kevan killed by a crossbow - perfect - Varys again, wanting chaos so the young heir can make his claim in the chaos?
So disappointed- the Bastard must die - but he will likely die of pox in an unsatisfactory way....
Theory: Dragon Mother needs to get all of her children (all of them) out of slaver bay. But she has no fleet...who has a fleet...hmmm... I think there is POV character with two chapters about to show up.
Speaking of Bastard - the letter is filled with lies. Has to be - but what is he trying to accomplish by getting Jon pissed and coming back? Just for Mance? Mance for what Arya? (Jen, of course). Does not make sense. I think Mance is telling stories to the bastard who used them to create the letter....
Oh GRRM was in Dallas today and we missed it - Gus is pissed.
Love Qetyen's last word.
Penny is annoying, now.
Tryion needs to move forward - he is accomplishing nothing.
Asha is planning a new King's moot with her little precedence, but can Reek stand up for that?
No Sam, sounds like the lord of flowers is healing, too little Jaime... and Breane lives!! Wow... Does the dog really live? And Robert Strong? Interesting....
Who is Lord Protector and how much hair will the Lord Protector have?
I know the Banker is hoping for Stannis to honor Robert's debts...but how far will Stannis allow himself to be indebted? Does not make sense...
Arya has a new face.... a pretty one. More Arya please...
No Sansa... would not care much of that, but "the Vale is quiet" according to the Griffon. Like Grif, but of course if I like him he has to be dying....
I hate GRRM.
Of course Jon is the biggest freak out since the Red Wedding (red that in article and its dead on).
However, there are plenty of stunning moments - some rewarding, some shocking some that just make you smack your forehead.
OK Jon is dead or as GRRM has said - "mortally wounded", but isn't it shocking that he was attacked by fellow black watchmen. Wic and Bowen, were first two blows, third in the back and he never felt the fourth dagger.
I know why - but the "why then" does not make sense. The conspirators attack Jon at the scene of Wun Wun vs St. Patrick. Well, more like Wun Wun and the rag doll.
Wildlings have to be around, does it immediately start a fight? Does Wun Wun throw Bowen against the ice Wall? Does Tormund lead a revolt? None of it makes sense.
Oh, did Jon just break his oath? Trying to lead an army south? I refuse to believe Jon is really dead.
Certainly allows him to leave the Brothers (till he dies, right?) Well he died - now he can go be King of the North and marry Danyres.
Speaking of which....woot! The Dragons are free!!!
Tyrion is a second son - perfect.
Kevan killed by a crossbow - perfect - Varys again, wanting chaos so the young heir can make his claim in the chaos?
So disappointed- the Bastard must die - but he will likely die of pox in an unsatisfactory way....
Theory: Dragon Mother needs to get all of her children (all of them) out of slaver bay. But she has no fleet...who has a fleet...hmmm... I think there is POV character with two chapters about to show up.
Speaking of Bastard - the letter is filled with lies. Has to be - but what is he trying to accomplish by getting Jon pissed and coming back? Just for Mance? Mance for what Arya? (Jen, of course). Does not make sense. I think Mance is telling stories to the bastard who used them to create the letter....
Oh GRRM was in Dallas today and we missed it - Gus is pissed.
Love Qetyen's last word.
Penny is annoying, now.
Tryion needs to move forward - he is accomplishing nothing.
Asha is planning a new King's moot with her little precedence, but can Reek stand up for that?
No Sam, sounds like the lord of flowers is healing, too little Jaime... and Breane lives!! Wow... Does the dog really live? And Robert Strong? Interesting....
Who is Lord Protector and how much hair will the Lord Protector have?
I know the Banker is hoping for Stannis to honor Robert's debts...but how far will Stannis allow himself to be indebted? Does not make sense...
Arya has a new face.... a pretty one. More Arya please...
No Sansa... would not care much of that, but "the Vale is quiet" according to the Griffon. Like Grif, but of course if I like him he has to be dying....
I hate GRRM.
I HATE GRRM
Because we all know how much he must love to torture his readers.
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